Calling out Oliver, Hoffman continued, "It’s shocking to me you don’t see me more clearly. That you go by a couple of things you read."
Oliver bit back, "I can’t leave certain things unaddressed. The easy way is not to bring anything up. Unfortunately that leaves me at home later at night hating myself ...No one stands up to powerful men."
"Am I a powerful man?" Hoffman retorted. "Keep a kind of open mind if you can, John."
"I'm trying," Oliver responded.
"Well I’m trying harder than you are," Hoffman retaliated. "You weren’t there."
Oliver replied, "I'm glad [I wasn't.]"