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They're doing great! On Sunday night, Andy Cohen hosted part two of the first-ever Keeping Up With the Kardashians: The Final Curtain reunion special. For the first installment, Kim Kardashian West, Kourtney and Khloe Kardashian, and Kris, Kylie, and Kendall Jenner all appeared, opening up about their family and sharing some insider details about the long-running show. Part two saw Scott Disick joining the group, who got candid about all of their relationship ups and downs and what the future holds.
KUWTK had its series finale last week after 20 seasons. And though the series finale was a loving tribute to the reality series, the reunion special touched on more controversial topics, at times putting the siblings at odds and making certain stars uncomfortable.
Here are the biggest revelations from parts one and two of the reunion special:
Kim Used to Actively Seek Out Paparazzi
It's no secret that Kim has always sought out fame. Though she's now a reality TV icon, the mother of four admitted to trying to get the paparazzi's attention early into the show's run.
"I knew exactly where they were," she said of photographers. "Anytime I would get hair and makeup for the show, there was no way I was going home and washing it off. I would stop off at Robertson. I would stop off at The Ivy to pick up something to go, even if it was some bread to go, an empty bag. I would go in and pretend, 'Did I leave my glasses here?'"
Kim isn't ashamed of her behavior now, staying honest about her past.
"I think I can talk about it because it's so funny and I think people need to be more honest about those moments in life when you're just super desperate and want that," she admitted.
Kim's Thoughts on Her Sex Tape
Though the entire Kardashian-Jenner family is now incredibly famous, Kim first rose to stardom after her sex tape with her ex, Ray J. She noted that she hasn't had to explain it to her kids yet, but knows that one day she might.
"Luckily, I think so many years have gone on and so many things have happened positively that it really erases that," she shared. "That is something that I have to live with for the rest of my life. That is something that is being held over my head. I try not to have any regrets, but it's probably the one thing that I wish didn't exist. If I could erase any of the stupid things that I've done in my life, that's probably it. And it's more from being a mom than anything."
Kim and Kourtney Tried to Get Their Big Fight Cut From the Show
While it made for great TV, Kim and Kourtney didn't want their physical brawl to play out on camera. Unfortunately, the sisters happened to get into it on the wrong day.
"One day out of all of filming we have an E! representative come to set and that day an E! representative was on set during the fight," Khloe said of the dramatic scene. "Kendall and I were just kind of in shock."
"We thought it was a joke at first," Kendall said of the fight.
"They didn't want it shown but also an E! rep was there and they knew what happened," Khloe added, noting why the moment eventually made it to the screen.
Kris Jenner Names Easiest and Hardest Kids to Manage
The longtime momager manages all of her six kids, so Cohen put her in the hot seat asking which were the hardest and easiest of her children to manage.
"If I'm going to be honest, I think Kendall's the easiest," Kris said of her supermodel daughter. "She's also the kid that when she was seven would put herself to bed every night and say, 'I'm done for the day, Mommy.'"
Kris added that Kourtney is the hardest one to manage, and her eldest daughter agreed.
"I don't want to do things if it's not something I'm really not into, so my answer is 'no' to most things, and if it's going to be 'yes' I want to know every detail of what I'm going to be asked of," Kourtney explained.
Kylie Jenner Says Her First Kiss Launched Lip Kits
The self-made billionaire has been upfront in the past about her insecurities surrounding her lips as a teen. During the reunion, she went more in-depth.
"I think my love for makeup started with my insecurity with my lips," the Kylie Cosmetics founder noted. "I had really small lips, and I didn't ever think about it until I had one of my first kisses and the guy said to me, 'Oh my god, you're such a good kisser, but you have such small lips.'"
She said that the experience left her feeling "unkissable" and inspired her to get into makeup more.
Her family playfully suggested that Kylie reach out to the kisser in question, with Kendall joking, "You should do a collab with him!"
Kylie Talks Travis Scott, Pregnancy and Marriage
Though her relationship with Tyga was featured on the show, Kylie didn't show her current on-off boyfriend, Travis Scott, on the series.
"I don't know, sometimes he didn't want to be filmed. I never pressured him to be on the show," Kylie said of the rapper, who is also dad to her 3-year-old daughter, Stormi.
When asked about whether she wanted to get married one day, Kylie smiled and said, "I'm not thinking about marriage, right now, but I would hope to get married one day."
As for her secret pregnancy, Kylie added that being pregnant at an early age made her want to keep things private.
"I shared so much of my life. I was also really young when I got pregnant," she explained. "It was just a lot for me personally. I didn't know how I would bring that to the public too. With everyone's opinions, it was just something I needed to go through for myself, so I decided to not even deal with that."
She noted that in order to do this, she mostly stayed home and in her neighborhood, noting that toward the end she didn't even leave the house due to the helicopters surrounding her.
Does Kim Think She Should Have Had Her Own Show?
Though she previously joked about giving her sister, Kourtney, her career, Kim had a different take on her family's involvement in the reality series.
"The one thing that I always was certain of is that I am 10 times more boring in real life," she admitted. "I think that people assume that I'm super sexy or I'm wild or I love to just get up and drink and this. I knew that wasn't me and I was nothing without my sisters and my family. And I knew that the real interesting stuff would be about my family. And I know that I needed them. I always was really well aware of that."
How Did Kim Respond to Paris Hilton's 'Cottage Cheese' Comment?
Before she was a celebrity in her own right, Kim was best friends with and a stylist for Paris Hilton. Though the pals had a falling out, they have since rekindled their friendship.
"She did that interview about something that was negative to me, called my butt fat or something gross," Kim recalled.
"Cottage cheese in the trash bag," Kourtney piped in.
"We spoke afterwards and had a real mature conversation about that, and then I think we drifted for a while," Kim explained of the incident. "But we're super back cool and I think that I have a lot of respect [for her]... I will never think I'm too good to not know where I came from... We have a really good relationship now."
Kim Talks Balancing Sexy Pics and Studying to Be a Lawyer
Now that she's hit 40 and is studying to one day become a lawyer, Kim is still posting the occasional thirst trap.
"I thought about this and then I thought, 'You can do it all. You can do whatever you want,'" she said. "There's something freeing about being like, 'F**k it, I'm 40. I'm in the best shape of my life.' There's something empowering about that, but then I also don't want to embarrass my kids or make them feel a way about it when they're in high school and I'm the embarrassing mom posing in selfies in bikinis. There will be limits."
The Kris Humphries of It All
In 2011, Kim tied the knot with basketball player Kris Humphries in a televised multimillion-dollar wedding, but 72 days later, they called it off. But Kris Jenner noted that she tried to get her daughter out of the nuptials much earlier.
"It was the night before, it was the rehearsal. And I just went upstairs and I said, 'Can I talk to you?' And she said, 'Sure,'" the momager recalled. "And I said, 'Listen, if you really don't want to do this, I don't think you should do it. I think this could be a really bad idea.'"
"No, what you said to me was, 'Go, I'm going to put you in a car, no one will find you, just leave, and I'll take care of it,'" Kim said. "And I thought, 'OK, we're filming this for a TV show. If I leave, I'm going to be known as the runaway bride forever and it's going to be a huge joke and I think I just have cold feet.'"
Kim insisted that the wedding was not just for TV, adding, "I took my entire fee and probably Kris' because I wanted a bigger wedding than what they were going to pay for. So I used all of our production money on the wedding. If that was fake, I would have saved my money."
Almost immediately after, Kim knew she'd made a mistake.
"We get to Italy for the honeymoon and I'm like, 'F**k, I think I made the wrong decision.' And then I went to New York and I was miserable," she shared.
When asked if there was one moment that she attributed to her breaking point in the marriage, Kim said, "He had, like, a size 17 shoe lined up around my room, and I just freaked the f**k out. I literally got claustrophobic. I couldn't move."
But the KKW Beauty founder admitted she handled the breakup "in the worst way" and said she "absolutely" owed her ex an apology.
"I tried calling him for months," she shared, noting that she later ran into him at a hotel when she was pregnant with her son, Saint.
"I had North in my hand and my big huge belly. I was about to give birth to Saint and I saw him and all of his friends got up and said, 'Hi,' to me and he just literally looked at me and wouldn't speak to me," she said of Humphries. "He's very faith-based and so I'm sure he would have loved to have not had a marriage on his record."
Falling for Kanye West
Though Kim and Kanye are going through a divorce now, Kim was very open about their love story.
"Six months after my divorce from Kris Humphries, I called Kanye and was like, 'You're not even gonna call me to say, 'I told you so?'" Kim said of the father of her four kids. "We met up six months later, and from that first night, I knew it was over."
When asked exactly why her marriage to Kanye didn't work, Kim replied, "I honestly don't think I would even say it, here on TV."
She elaborated, "It was not one specific thing that happened on either part. I think it was just a general difference of opinion on a few things that led to this decision. In no way would I want someone to think that I didn't give it my all, or really try. You know, we have four kids. There's nothing that kids want more than to see their parents together. I lived that myself."
She went on to call her marriage "so real," noting, "to me it was, like, my first real marriage."
"Kanye will always be family," she said. "We have an amazing co-parenting relationship. I respect him so much, and I think we'll have -- You know, that was my friend first, and for a long time, so I can't see that going away. I will forever be Kanye's biggest fan."
Kim Would Date Someone Not Famous
While she shut down rumors of dating Van Jones and Maluma, Kim said she'd be open to dating a regular person in the future.
"Yeah, absolutely," she said. "Just someone that will understand what this life is about, though. But I think what I was looking for and who I was, was completely different than who I am today. I value privacy, and I just want something that's, like, really real."
Kourtney Dishes on Which Sisters Handle Fame Best and Worst
Kourtney kept it real when asked which of her siblings was the best and which was the worst at handling fame.
"I think Kim handles it the best and I feel like it gets to Khloe," the eldest Kardashian sister shared.
Khloe touched on her sister's comment, seemingly referencing her recent struggles with a leaked bikini photo that she tried to get taken off of the internet.
"I feel like maybe after years and years and years of being this punching bag of personal attacks on the way I look or my body or how fat I am or how skinny I am or my face isn't... I was an open target for all that," she said. "I think 15 years of the same commentary going on, it's just there's only so much someone can take."
Kendall also defended her sister, adding, "I also think you've been through lots of trauma, is what I'm saying. So I think that that can also play into it."
How Kim's Robbery Changed Her
In October 2016, Kim was robbed at gunpoint in Paris, France, with millions of dollars worth of jewelry taken from her. She talked about how the incident changed her for better and for worse during the reunion.
"If I'm wearing something, it's borrowed. It's fake," she said. "No expensive items ever come to my home. I have it taken from security before I even enter my home. I can't sleep if I have jewelry in my safe or money or anything in my house. I just don't live my life like that."
And as for the positives, Kim believes that her attitude toward life has completely flipped.
"I'm a completely different person because of it in the best way," she said. "I had to have the coolest car, the best rims, the best outfit and I thought that I was the s**t because of that. I thought that made me. The things I valued before that happened were genuinely completely different than what I value now. It's fun to get dressed up and all that here, but things don't make me."
Kris Talks Caitlyn Jenner
Caitlyn Jenner did not appear at the reunion despite spending years on the show while married to Kris. The momager looked back on her marriage to the former Olympian with a positive attitude.
"I think that we had a lot of really great years. I think that everything also is meant to be, and I think what was meant to be out of that relationship was Kendall and Kylie," she said of her youngest daughters. "Without that, I wouldn't have one sixth and one sixth of my heart sitting here. And that I'm so grateful for and feel like it was such a blessing."
She added that she did not know her ex was planning to transition when they split and said they probably would have broken up even if Caitlyn hadn't transitioned.
Kendall and Kylie Say Caitlyn's Transition Felt Like a 'Loss'
Part 2 of The Final Curtain picked up with Andy continuing to question the family about Caitlyn's transition, and Kendall and Kylie admitted that there were parts of them that struggled with a feeling of "loss" following Caitlyn's transition.
"I want nothing more than my dad to live out her true self, genuinely, but I mean, it's a transition," Kylie explained. "I still have such a good relationship with my dad, I love my dad, but growing up we were super close with my dad. So to mourn that person was hard."
"To say like, 'Hey, I'm still here, I'm still the same soul, but I don't want to be that person anymore, was, I think, what was hard to understand, but now that it's happened and we're here, it was a lot easier than I thought it was gonna be," she added.
"We were big daddy's girls," Kendall agreed. "So coming out of that, that transition was definitely hard… We just wanted -- and want -- her to be happy."
As for Kris, she said the pair are on good terms now, and expressed gratitude for what she's learned in the process.
"I learned a lot along the way. I think I was so naive and uneducated in this whole area," Kris admitted. "I realized that I was not considering what Caitlyn was really feeling at the time, which was that she wanted to be who she is now since the time she was 4 years old… at the end of the day all you can ever want for somebody is just to find their true happiness."
Scott Plans to Tell His Kids About His Substance Abuse Struggles
When it comes to having his struggles with substance abuse play out on camera in KUWTK, Scott admits he didn't have much of a choice: "I couldn't hide it."
But when it comes to having his kids watch it play out, if they choose to watch the show when they're older, Scott says he hopes to give them an understanding of what he went through.
"I'm gonna explain everything to them," he shared. "I've talked to Mason a little bit about things, but not deeply. I don't think any of them have any idea the struggles that I've had. But I plan to tell them, because I didn't have that growing up. And I want to make sure they hear everything, and tell them, 'You can go this route, but I promise you it's not gonna end up anywhere good. I did it.' So I have that to give to them."
Scott and Kourtney Agree They Might Still Be Together If Not for Scott's Substance Abuse Issues
Scott and Kourtney both agreed that their relationship might have had a better chance at succeeding if not for Scott's substance abuse issues, though Kourtney maintained that her ex will "always be family."
And, while Scott joked with the family that he sometimes wants to "kill" Kourtney's suitors, he did give his blessing to her and her new beau, Travis Barker.
"I think if you really love somebody, you want them to be happy no matter what," he shared. "So I do give her a blessing to be happy."
Kourtney said the same of Scott and his girlfriend, Amelia Hamlin, echoing, "Whoever would make him happy, I would give my blessing."
Kendall Speaks Out Against the "Kardashian Curse"
When Andy brought up the narrative that becoming a Kardashian or Jenner ex can ruin a man's career, Kendall eagerly chimed in to address the sexist presumption.
"What I don't like about this narrative is that the blame is on us," she noted. "I think the men need to take that responsibility. I think that we're all extremely giving and caring and loving women. And when there is a man in our lives we like, give everything to them, and as a family we all love them so much. It's almost offensive, personally."
Ever the momager, Kris pointed out that there are major sports championships and artistic awards between the family's famous exes, and Kim and Kylie chimed in that Kanye and Travis, respectively, are also doing pretty well for themselves.
Kendall Talks Devin Booker and Shares How Watching Her Older Sisters' Examples Made Her Want to Keep Her Dating Life Private
When it came to addressing her relationship with her boyfriend, NBA star Devin Booker, Kendall said that she's chosen to keep things very private in part because that's what "works best" for her. But it's also thanks to her family's very public dating history.
"Kylie and I have had the opportunity to watch our older sisters go through marriages and relationships and breakups and all these things, and do them pretty publicly," she noted. "And no offense to you guys at all, but I think it was personal preference from a really young age that I didn't want to [do that]."
"I think it makes my life a lot easier and our relationship a lot better, to be completely honest," she added. "I just feel like it's a private matter, it's not really for anybody else to judge or know."
Kim Doesn't Think the Family Promotes Unattainable Beauty Standards
"No, I don't," Kim replied, when Andy asked point-blank about the narrative that the family promotes unrealistic body images. "Because I think we get up, we do the work, we work out."
"We all really enjoy taking care of ourselves and being healthy," Kendall agreed. "I think if anything, the only thing we're trying to represent is just being the most healthy version of yourself."
Khloe Talks Plastic Surgery Rumors and Losing Her Confidence in the Public Eye
The youngest Kardashian sister, Khloe said she was actually the most confident out of her, Kim and Kourtney, when the family started filming KUWTK, and that her negative body image came from public scrutiny and unfavorable comparisons to her sisters.
"The Perez Hiltons and all those blogs of the time… I think that's when I started to be hard on myself, because I was like, 'Oh, this is how other people perceive me,'" she recalled. "But my whole life, I had never looked at myself like that."
"We did so many photoshoots where they would receive racks and racks of clothes and I was told, by so many different stylists… not to worry, because I would be in the background anyway,"
Since getting in better shape, Khloe said she doesn't feel like her family treats her any differently, but noted, "I think it's very interesting how everyone else does." In fact, that's one of the factors that motivated her to make sure her denim brand, Good American, is size-inclusive, as are the retail outlets that carry it.
As for plastic surgery rumors, Khloe admitted to having some work done, but noted that again, most of the public discourse about her appearance has happened without her input.
"I've had one nose job… I've done, sure, injections. Not really Botox, I responded horribly to Botox," she shared. "Everyone gets so upset, like, why don't I talk about it? No one's ever asked me. You're the first person in an interview that's ever asked me about my nose."
Khloe Says She's Not Bothered By Paternity Rumors
Due to their appearances, Khloe has also faced rumors for many years that she may not be Kim and Kourtney's full biological sister. However, she admitted to Andy that those are comments she finds easier to brush off.
"I've heard that narrative since I've been a baby," she said. "That part doesn't hurt me now, because I've been so used to that."
What About Rob?
Rob Kardashian's absence at the reunion -- and brief returns to the show in the final season -- was addressed by Khloe, who shared that her younger brother "just needed a break" from the reality TV lifestyle.
"It's not so much about physical appearance," she explained, "it's about how he felt internally about some of the women in his life, and how they treated him or how he felt they might have used him to get to certain areas or levels."
"I think that really affected him, because my brother is such a lover, and has the most incredible heart and personality," Khloe continued. "I think he's just getting stronger. I think you have to get heartbroken and learn from your mistakes, and I think he's just stronger and feeling better to be around, and be more vulnerable or exposed."
For now, the family said that Rob is dating again, and working on co-parenting daughter Dream with his ex, Blac Chyna -- who is currently embroiled in a legal battle with his famous family over the cancellation of their E! spinoff series, Rob & Chyna.
"We can only imagine how hard that is for him, and I know he feels really guilty about that, so none of us ever make him feel bad about it," Khloe said.
"Dream is honestly one of the most incredible little girls in the entire world," she added of her niece. "We never blur the two... We respect that Chyna is the mother of Dream, and we'll always respect that that's her position. So we never try to [let that bleed through] and make Rob feel more guilty. 'Cause that's out of his control."
Khloe Says She Wouldn't Undo Her Marriage to Lamar Odom
Khloe later took the hot seat to talk about her own relationships, including her marriage and divorce from former NBA star Lamar Odom.
"We're not in touch, but I honestly wish him nothing but the best and good health," she said. "I think we're all really rooting for him and just want the best for him."
Khloe and Lamar married in September 2009 after one month of dating. Khloe filed for divorce in December 2013, however, the couple's split wasn't finalized until three years later, following Lamar's near-fatal overdose in a Nevada brothel. Khloe was by Lamar's side throughout his recovery, along with her family.
"I loved that chapter in my life," Khloe said of her time with Lamar during the reunion. "Regardless of how dark and crazy that might sound, it was still just a very significant part of my life and my story, and I wouldn't change it. It sounds crazy, but it was meant to happen and it happened."
Khloe also said that she "really appreciates" public statements made by Lamar in recent years, in which he's shared happy memories about their relationship.
"Our marriage ended in a way that there was not a lot of closure," she noted. "And so, when you get out of a marriage where you're not really able to have a discussion with someone, I feel like it's hard for you to move on. You feel incomplete, you're always questioning things. So finally, to get that closure, or just that acknowledgement for me...you do get the validation."
Khloe Gets Candid About Trusting Tristan After Cheating Scandals
Khloe insists that she and on-again off-again beau Tristan Thompson weren't together when they filmed the 20th and final season of KUWTK while co-parenting during the pandemic. "And then, I don't know, we just really, really became genuine great friends with one another," she explained. "It just was this natural progression. I'm not saying that's what I would encourage other people to do, it's just what naturally happened with him and I."
When asked point-blank if she trusts him now -- following multiple public cheating scandals -- Khloe said, "I mean, I definitely trust him as a friend and all those things... What I need to find out, everything comes my way. I just need to trust and focus on today and go day by day. I can't worry too much about everything else."
"I know the growth and the work that he's done. I know all the help that he's got, and the constant efforts that he makes every single day, and how hard he fought to get back with me currently," she added. "I don't understand why someone would go through all that if they weren't really serious."
Khloe Says She Would Be Fine With Kylie Rekindling Friendship With Jordyn Woods
As for Jordyn, who was involved in one of Tristan's cheating scandals, Khloe said she hasn't spoken to Kylie's former BFF, but noted, "I think she's doing really well in her personal life." She added that a "huge misconception" surrounding the cheating scandal is that she forgave Tristan but not Jordyn.
"I don't have any grudge against Jordyn. I think people make mistakes, people live and they learn," she explained. "I have to forgive these people for me, and it's up to them to forgive themselves and be accountable and learn and hopefully don't repeat these same cycles."
Khloe also said she's given Kylie the green light to rekindle her friendship with Jordyn if she wants to, noting, "My sisters matter way more to me than any grudge or issue that I would have with another individual, and if I can allow Tristan back into my life, I need to allow the same forgiveness and acceptance of other people."
For Kylie's part, she admitted that it was difficult to handle the split between her family and friends, saying of Jordyn, "When we were friends, we never thought that we wouldn't be friends, it was kind of an overnight thing. When she did something to my family, it felt like she did something to me."
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